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and we're good to go alright ladies and

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gentlemen welcome to the program got

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Bernie Taylor on we're gonna be talking

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those already be talking about visionary

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plants or discussing whether

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hallucinations were caused by plants

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within ancient history I know that this

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is a subject matter that had been

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he was actually our first Christmas

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special Burnie how you doing great Chris

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thanks for having me back

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well it's always a pleasure I've got

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does not want to let me go

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program and just a quick shadow to all

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of our patrons out there who would sure

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that we can keep the show going to

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Wayne thank you guys for supporting the

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program and ensuring that well we can

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keep doing this and this all right so

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she's she's gone thankfully have you

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been it's it's been kind of a while

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you've been busy I'm over 2 million

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hours of listens well I know the last

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show that you were on with us is like

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one of our top 10 shows in the last two

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Bar None well it's new material new

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stuff fine stuff I know that the last

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time you were on we talked about the the

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archetypes in tremor it was it was that

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the Kate it was the cave in France or

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the in Spain I keep forgetting a name of

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Castillo cave and we discussed the the

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archetypes that were at least known or

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shown as far as the the journey of the

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hero that was trying to be told or

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instructed to people within you know

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within different tribes had visited the

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care that that particular cave and we

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had touched on the possibility of

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psychedelic plants being used within

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those rituals just because it seems to

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be something that's brought up on on a

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constant basis with past with past

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cultures and you know you I know that

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you'd come to me a month or so back and

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said hey you know I've got this new you

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know this new material and I I thought

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it'd be kind of cool to at least share

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with everybody and and you know kickin

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off with the new way that we do things

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here and I just need to start things off

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first of all by finding out where my

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preview window is because I know that

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you would sent me a video that I have

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seen and this is from Grande Hancock's

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own band TED talk which again it's one

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of like two TED Talks or three TED Talks

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that has actually been banned which is

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surprising for for Ted but kind of not

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surprising to us you know to a certain

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extent as they're very rigid in the way

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you know within this I actually have the

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part here to read because I want to make

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sure Graham gets us do a Hancock

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consciousness and cave art in the

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following an altered first minute in 54

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presentation after six million years of

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hundred thousand years ago which by the

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anatomically modern it was kind of an

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emergence into consciousness less than a

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hundred thousand years ago really less

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became fully symbolic creatures and this

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great change is being defined as the

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single most important step forward in

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the evolution of human behavior and is

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intimately associated with the emergence

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of the great and transcendent Rock and

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cave art all around the world which you

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have yourself studied Bernie and over

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the last thirty years researchers led by

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Professor David Lewis Williams at the

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South Africa I'm sorry if anybody from

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our inverse a freaking listeners if I

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butcher that and many others have

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suggested an intriguing and radical

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possibility which is that the emergence

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auto consciousness was triggered by our

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ancestors encounters with visionary

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plants and the beginning of shamanism

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no time to get into this into the

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details here although we're going to and

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in this talk but there are many details

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that make it clear that this was an art

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of altered state of consciousness or

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visions and the plants like fee amanti

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Korea which is the that's that's the red

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history or cyclic or cyclamen mushrooms

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to the sudden and radical change

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was our first Christmas special the

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possibility that Santa Claus most of

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Christmas was actually inspired by

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mascara mushroom which is kind of

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hilarious I'd like to think but also its

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prevalence but throughout the world and

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with WA cyclamen being something of a

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cultural not out there because even

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nowadays it's still being consumed

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it it seems to be the precursor to that

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that altered state of being or

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perception of the world beyond but most

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people even can necessarily understand

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and how this has been translated into

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the the cave paintings so something I

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I've always kind of wondered sure so in

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grams you read off Gramps first two

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minutes of his solo band TED talk and

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quote gram if you analyze the cave art

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there is no time to get into the details

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here and quote so we get an hour or so

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right now to analyze the cave art don't

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we press we do yeah okay now in fairness

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the gram is there a shout-out to gram

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that's always a shudders grandma could

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shout out to gram that if he wants to

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get on the show and talk about

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and have a discussion you're open right

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I'm always open if Graham ever wants to

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come on the show Morton will have them

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on here and we do the Graham gets on

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with me or Graff to do it himself it's

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an open invitation right it is it's it

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us because I know that he's usually six

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hours ahead and making sure that he can

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either get a full night's sleep

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okay so we'll jump into it so Hancock

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accidents psychoactive substances are

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today gathered in the forests or

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end of that kick off that Graham has he

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very important image because in that he

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that image there's this a panel with red

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disks that comes from the pest Merle

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cave about 25,000 years ago and under

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mushrooms so the big red ones that

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Claus so Graham is saying that those red

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disks and those mushrooms are tied

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that and then is also as an illustration

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that Grant has depicting the evolution

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of modern man from a primate

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primate and the apparent antenna these

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red disks first because you and I've

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red dissing in the gallery of dis in El

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three hours and and that that image that

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thousand years ago so pest Romero's

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twenty five thousand years old so what

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the magic mushrooms twenty five thousand

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years ago okay so we're gonna go further

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back in time so you can't you can't jump

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well these came from this was a vision

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of mushroom that's why the red disc in

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pest Merle oral if much older cave we

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apprentice were made for those red disks

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and apprentices listen to them it

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listening to a shamanic teacher we also

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the neck of a giraffe and it makes that

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multi pattern and we find we find it

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it makes it the mayor speckled and

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disks yeah so this commonality between

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cave art and not from the red the red

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disc the red disk have nothing to do

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with Amanita muscaria mushrooms they

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up get that idea and there's but there's

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so many on that same panel to Gary disc

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crocodiles Barbary ape and so many

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different animals so the question is why

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when Graham is looking at these images

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he's seeing magic mushrooms why can

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other people see other things it and you

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many people can see what they want to

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out of it exactly but these these pretty

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good images that someone actually

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engraved into the wall the extant of the

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wall the image of the elephant amorous

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and so on the so why the reason why some

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people can see it and some people don't

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as easily how brains are wired

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differently okay and this is a test you

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can take it's quite an embedded image

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test and it's exactly just like that

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this this guy Ardis where the images

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overlap with each other and you have to

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pick them out and it's giving this a

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psychological profile and it's well

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known some people believe that autistic

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people have a greater propensity for

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this but that's highly debatable what's

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called an embedded image test and it's

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it's a thing and you can take the test

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and so you just because one person

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doesn't see it it doesn't mean that what

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they see magic mushrooms the connection

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is real because it's not what's really

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super interesting about that in which

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Graham gets all a lot allowing his work

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to talk about therianthropy

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and that the combination of the human

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and the animal was a loose angelic

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vision-- but it's not and what we find

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this gallery of discs is we find the

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overlapping of images we have a man that

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overlaps with the dolphin and becomes a

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merman and actually that that character

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is Aquarius in the night sky we find a

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man to overlap another man overlapping

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with a horse which becomes a center and

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that's said to terrace in the night sky

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we have a man that overlaps with an

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eagle and he takes on the form of an

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eagle

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so those are all third though 3:30

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interrupts and so you don't have to have

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a solution to envision to look into the

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night sky and put these characters

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together in a story and find a center

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and a nun and a mermaid or a mer man in

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this case these are these are where

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we're naturally creative people we're a

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creative race I should say and it's how

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we share myths and how we make life

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interesting and we still do today with

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you know Aunt May

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is a big movie out there and the Black

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Panther was not too long ago so we've

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merged the man and the Beast together

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and of course that goes back into pillow

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at times and so the question is asked

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why another so one is people have

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different brains they process it

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information different that's why they

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everybody doesn't see it doesn't see it

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or they don't see it as readily there's

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actually something else why people don't

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see as readily is that it the red does

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have a hypnotic effect okay and so the

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artist put that out there and so people

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will be attracted to the red disk and

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the same way you're attracted to red

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stop sign or McDonald's or Dairy Queen

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or whatever it is how eyes are attracted

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and that that study goes that work goes

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back to the study of instinct by

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Nicholas Tinbergen who won a Nobel Prize

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and Tintin Tinbergen had fished by a

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tank by the window and every day a red

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delivery truck came by the fish went

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into a defensive posture um and he

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reasoned that because the these fish

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don't have the street well hemisphere

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his cognitive thinking his brainstem

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dominated so we all have that so across

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the biological spectrum when you have

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brain stem double animals with brain

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stems you have this attraction to red so

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that the pellet the artists were they

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were teasing they were teasing the

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apprentice and they were drawing our

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attention from the elephant in the room

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as well and so what are your experiences

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with red touch um was i right on your

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chair behind you red Red's one of my

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favorite colors it's you know depending

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on the shade you have the ability to mix

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with almost any other color for either

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as a background or you know a point of

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prominence within a design it grabs

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people's attention it also it's it's a

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good bright color for warning obviously

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so if you're doing you know a part of a

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you know part of a flyer or it's just

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you know an advertisement that that

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needs to have some type of prominence

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I'll use red at the same time I'll

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usually also mix yellow on top of that

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as seen within you know the cave

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painting if it has that that's sandstone

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hue to it

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which I do know the brain can actually

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see faster than red as far as first

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processing which is why you've got red

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light to being stopped and yellow being

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hit the gas and make sure you you make

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the red but you're supposed to have that

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that caution you know warning sign or

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side to it and you know depending on on

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the color it could be something that's

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more of a soothing attention-grabber

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usually with if you're dealing with

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black or dark blue my own experience

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well you know I look fairly good in red

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I think although a little bit better in

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blue but still you know if you want if

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you want that that's eye catching piece

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of a blue suit you put you put a you

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know a red or reddish handkerchief in in

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there and it really makes everything

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else pop and ladies and gentlemen you

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just heard that for a professional

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graphic artist well if you didn't know

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that already

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and so that was God love that Chris that

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was really a good explanation because it

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carries it forwards and on this this guy

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are just that we we explored you

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remember anybody eating a red disc it's

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yeah well but a rocky just joined us in

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chat so you're asking that question like

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did you see anybody eat a red disc I'm

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like have their hand put it in their

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mouth I don't know III mom my daughter

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will like a chili cheese and she loves

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strawberries so you know she'll go for

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the strawberry first and she'll have it

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in her hand

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well yeah she'll have anything new

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characters we have human characters on

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this gallery disc trend uh they're not

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kneeling down to eat the red disc

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they're not holding their hand so so if

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I would go if they had anything to do

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with magic mushrooms one of them would

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probably have in their hand and they

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don't and they do all kinds of other

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things they they ride horses they swim

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they they hold a club but they just

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don't seem to be interested in holding

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or eating red disc so I'm going to so

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that kind of

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it out as well no now one of the

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problems with saying they must have been

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a loose inject drugs because we don't

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know otherwise is it at limit scientific

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exploration you remember the Chaco

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Canyon would they have those Sun daggers

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for the solstices and equinoxes uh yes

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yeah well I've seen them I'm Gary when

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he was on the show the last couple of

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times he usually brings up but Chaco

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Canyon and said but usually what we

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focus on on the the petroglyphs that

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have been drawn on some of the rocks in

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that area which are very similar to

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Casteel cave or not necessarily because

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I know that with with Casilla they're

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not naked they're their negatives

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whereas they're actually drawn in in

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Chaco Canyon exactly

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well the Chaco Canyon has these the Sun

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daggers cast a shadow over centrifugal

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circles and then how that's how they

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told the time now prior to determining

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that they were actually Sun daggers

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people said they loosened genic visions

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and then some enterprising people went

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out they were compasses and some some

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knowledge of the seasons and they

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figured oh my god these are sundial

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which we now call Sun daggers and so but

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if we just say well they're on drugs

461
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then we kind of we lose the perspective

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of looking forward to deepen looking

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deeper into science and learning about

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ourselves other than saying what we must

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when drugs there's I have a computer in

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front of me

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I can't it's full microchips and things

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like that I can't make this I have no no

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ability no technical ability to to take

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it apart to put it back together and so

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forth it doesn't mean that the user was

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on drugs it means that I just don't know

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how to do it and that's ok and I'm ok

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with that

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now there's another image that Graham

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Hancock had it was on the hall of the

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Bulls and that's really an important one

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that's what the Lascaux cave dates to

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about 17,000 years ago it's an important

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one because there was actually a movie

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about it about that panel and the movie

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was by dr. Chantal Jacque Olinsky and

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Chantal is a French astronomer and the

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movie is available on you'll find it's

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called it's free for astronomers on

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curiosity stream was a paper a channel

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that's what you also find images and the

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documentary on YouTube so it's been

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uploaded and what she did was years of

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work which in 2007 and predates Graham's

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TED talk okay

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so we're talking few years his - for his

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2013 TED talk she did she came out with

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this movie in English and in French and

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she she went into the Lascaux cave and

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she looked at the Hall the Bulls and

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with her computer she was able to mark

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off the stars as they would have

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appeared on the night sky at that time

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17,000 years ago and she she laid them

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against the animals and her

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interpretation of it is that the animals

503
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so there's a bowl which overlaps with

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constellation Taurus and so her

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interpret interpretation is that the

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stars are they the animals on the whole

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the Bulls well you really need to say

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hey you know there are other

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interpretations there's the nuns people

510
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I've seen and I have no evidence to say

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this has anything to do with loosing

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genic drugs but I'm going to so he could

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have picked a lot of other images to use

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but he kind of used the wrong one on

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that because that is one that's been out

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there that many people have seen and

517
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other people have had interpretations

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the United States and written many

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papers on it it's it's been out there

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it's a beautiful image

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she also affects your proposed

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Sagittarius the score Scorpio wasn't the

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place to sender Terios but she she did

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brilliant work and it's a wonderful

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video

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I mean Chantal is CAH a CH a n tal your

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Google or you'll find the images as lot

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lots of fun stuff now pop Picasso chimed

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in on pelleted cave art which is also

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another reference point that we can look

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at that's not loosen genic drugs and

532
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Picasso came into the scene relatives

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the Altamira cave and it's just about

534
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the turn of the last century that the

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ultimate care had been discovered that

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people said that it was a thing so they

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broke you know one of the finest artists

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of the time and modern artists for

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console to look at and Picasso came out

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and said we've invented nothing and none

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of us could have done anything like this

542
00:22:59,740 --> 00:22:57,500
this is obviously not a fraud but this

543
00:23:02,590 --> 00:22:59,750
is beyond our own capabilities this is

544
00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:02,600
what Picasso is said and Picasso would

545
00:23:07,570 --> 00:23:04,910
know into actual borrows specific images

546
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:07,580
from the Altamira cave then used in his

547
00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:09,650
first cubism work in the first work of

548
00:23:12,909 --> 00:23:11,900
modern art which is lead them to Avignon

549
00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:12,919
in 1907

550
00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:16,100
so Picasso borrow from the past her

551
00:23:21,130 --> 00:23:18,950
costos perspective on on the creation of

552
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:21,140
art was enough loosened gendered drugs

553
00:23:26,409 --> 00:23:24,290
Picasso said it occurred to man to

554
00:23:28,270 --> 00:23:26,419
create his own images it's because he

555
00:23:31,030 --> 00:23:28,280
discovered them in the world around him

556
00:23:33,610 --> 00:23:31,040
almost formed already within his grasp

557
00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:33,620
he soared them in a bone and they read

558
00:23:38,530 --> 00:23:35,929
those surfaces of cavern walls in a

559
00:23:41,770 --> 00:23:38,540
piece of wood one for might suggest a

560
00:23:44,409 --> 00:23:41,780
woman another a bison what do you think

561
00:23:47,950 --> 00:23:44,419
about Picasso a white guy but girl

562
00:23:49,539 --> 00:23:47,960
Picasso he was a genius and also just a

563
00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:49,549
you know a little bit nuts but again we

564
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:51,230
were all of us are I guess when when it

565
00:23:59,140 --> 00:23:54,559
comes to art but most of these

566
00:24:01,180 --> 00:23:59,150
scientists or even Picasso himself they

567
00:24:02,590 --> 00:24:01,190
may not have known or may not have

568
00:24:04,930 --> 00:24:02,600
necessarily occurred to them and I'd

569
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:04,940
have to go back and check the the notes

570
00:24:10,299 --> 00:24:07,910
for the documentary on this but the

571
00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:10,309
stars were not laid out the same way you

572
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:12,110
know a hundred thousand years ago then

573
00:24:19,810 --> 00:24:17,330
what's maybe depicted within this work

574
00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:19,820
so what Chantal did the same thing I did

575
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:21,950
in mind we have computer software they

576
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:22,260
can

577
00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:26,310
it's back in time okay well if it makes

578
00:24:30,530 --> 00:24:28,140
us and people often say well I can't

579
00:24:33,050 --> 00:24:30,540
read I can't identify the constellations

580
00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:33,060
other than Ursa Major and Orion well the

581
00:24:37,790 --> 00:24:34,800
reason is because when those those

582
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:37,800
constellations were first made the stars

583
00:24:44,060 --> 00:24:40,740
were different and so what we're looking

584
00:24:45,950 --> 00:24:44,070
at today is really our a new imagination

585
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:45,960
of how they might look but in thirty

586
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:47,100
four thousand years ago when those

587
00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:48,900
constellations were in the wall the

588
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:52,200
caves and again at Lascaux they were

589
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:53,910
different and they didn't they looked

590
00:24:58,100 --> 00:24:55,530
like the animals that the artists

591
00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:58,110
portrayed the masts and so that's that's

592
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:59,940
really that's really important but

593
00:25:04,940 --> 00:25:02,640
Picasso was casa had another perspective

594
00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:04,950
and his wasn't of glue synthetic drugs

595
00:25:11,090 --> 00:25:07,710
he had he thought of it through the eyes

596
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:11,100
of an artist and that that's because an

597
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:13,050
artist usually looks at the creation of

598
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:14,610
work as a process

599
00:25:19,670 --> 00:25:16,530
one idea builds on the other and the

600
00:25:24,260 --> 00:25:19,680
final product is is the result of many

601
00:25:25,790 --> 00:25:24,270
iterations of of work there are well

602
00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:25,800
I'll use an example I just finished a

603
00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:29,190
massive well you know it's one 99% on my

604
00:25:34,910 --> 00:25:32,220
wife is just a saying so you say it's

605
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:34,920
done but it's never done like yeah well

606
00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:37,650
honey it's it's it's launched and it's

607
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,750
the third or fourth iteration of that

608
00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:42,000
particular website and you know even

609
00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:44,340
when I had had the the final version of

610
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:46,200
it there was one thing that I'd done in

611
00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:47,460
one side of the website that I then

612
00:25:51,020 --> 00:25:49,020
translated and into the various other

613
00:25:55,690 --> 00:25:51,030
pages because it was such a cool feature

614
00:25:59,420 --> 00:25:55,700
and then until it became a unit of

615
00:26:03,410 --> 00:25:59,430
functionality and you know just in

616
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:03,420
interaction that made sense and we look

617
00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:05,700
at at the world and when we look at a

618
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,380
final product we you know the people who

619
00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:08,640
are looking at that and saying well you

620
00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:10,980
know it was obviously had to have been

621
00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:12,510
hallucinogenic drugs that open their

622
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:15,390
minds up only it could have been or it

623
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:16,980
could have been you know multiple

624
00:26:23,150 --> 00:26:20,430
generations of trial and error or

625
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:23,160
somebody who may have been trying for 10

626
00:26:28,370 --> 00:26:25,290
years to be able to perfect that one

627
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:28,380
particular method of art in the the

628
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:29,610
proper pigmentation in the way

629
00:26:32,410 --> 00:26:31,260
delivering it to that rock face that

630
00:26:34,810 --> 00:26:32,420
worked for him

631
00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:34,820
exactly so it's

632
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:37,470
from from an artistic side it's like no

633
00:26:43,670 --> 00:26:41,910
no it could have been just trial and

634
00:26:45,260 --> 00:26:43,680
error and being people don't get that

635
00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:45,270
because they're not necessarily used to

636
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,100
it if they don't think about it talking

637
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:54,960
about symbolic behaving emergence

638
00:26:58,700 --> 00:26:57,570
through lotion genetic drugs as well but

639
00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:58,710
let's talk about symbolic behavior

640
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:01,260
because that's really important oh here

641
00:27:06,650 --> 00:27:04,200
we go you just lifted your hands and

642
00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:06,660
that's a simple you made a gesture like

643
00:27:12,290 --> 00:27:08,220
hey you know this is you know hands off

644
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:12,300
well Jane Goodall in 1968 came out with

645
00:27:18,049 --> 00:27:15,330
the first work that chimpanzees had

646
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:18,059
symbolic behavior and she and she wrote

647
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:20,760
that they had gestures late in the last

648
00:27:25,580 --> 00:27:23,010
few years it came out in the literature

649
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:25,590
that chimpanzees and bonobos have about

650
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:29,520
60 gestures in the wild about 2,000

651
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,510
Washoe learned more than 350 gestures of

652
00:27:40,570 --> 00:27:36,080
American sign language symbolic language

653
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:40,580
Washoe taught her her adopted son

654
00:27:45,020 --> 00:27:43,500
American sign language and the

655
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:45,030
chimpanzees in that community also

656
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:47,850
learned through just interactions they

657
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:49,770
learned American Sign Language so is

658
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:52,170
there anything more symbolic than a

659
00:27:58,700 --> 00:27:55,290
gesture Lang a gesture language 350

660
00:28:00,799 --> 00:27:58,710
characters that chimps are smart chimps

661
00:28:01,910 --> 00:28:00,809
can do can have a gesture language in

662
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:01,920
the same way that you can lift your

663
00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:06,090
hands up and say whoa you know it's not

664
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:08,760
even hands off it's like you people will

665
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:10,650
make certain actions to accentuate their

666
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:14,720
words based on cultural factors based on

667
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:17,760
you know upbringing a lot of it can

668
00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:22,290
actually just be ingrained within us as

669
00:28:31,010 --> 00:28:27,320
a form of you know instinct how much of

670
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:31,020
action is is based on repetition and

671
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:32,370
conditioning and how much is if it is

672
00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:35,760
actually coded into our DNA like my wife

673
00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:37,080
and I actually had this interesting

674
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:38,700
conversation because you know our

675
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:43,620
daughters starting to learn how to grab

676
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:45,900
everything around her her nose she can

677
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:48,179
move to it and

678
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:50,039
but but if we're giving her a bath or

679
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:52,049
you know if we go to swim class

680
00:28:55,879 --> 00:28:53,940
she doesn't like going on her back and

681
00:28:57,859 --> 00:28:55,889
she's going to try and embrace herself

682
00:29:00,320 --> 00:28:57,869
and this isn't something that was taught

683
00:29:02,779 --> 00:29:00,330
to her you know we've always been the

684
00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:02,789
especially I'm the extra careful one who

685
00:29:06,889 --> 00:29:04,230
makes sure that she's properly cradled

686
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:06,899
and you know it's carefully placed in in

687
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:10,409
position and she still has that that

688
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:13,559
instinct to brace herself and it's like

689
00:29:18,649 --> 00:29:16,740
is that something that is you know is

690
00:29:20,509 --> 00:29:18,659
that instinct is that is that something

691
00:29:24,139 --> 00:29:20,519
that she's learned based on experience

692
00:29:27,409 --> 00:29:24,149
of maybe falling down on her play mat or

693
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:27,419
or in her crib and you know you look at

694
00:29:32,299 --> 00:29:29,820
the types of languages that most animals

695
00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:32,309
will have and I'll go back to two

696
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:37,619
primates a um crying out loud

697
00:29:41,509 --> 00:29:39,720
lowland gorillas they'll and even

698
00:29:45,649 --> 00:29:41,519
elephants they'll do mock charges at you

699
00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:45,659
which is a pretty big symbol to get the

700
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:47,220
you know get the bleep out of here the

701
00:29:52,639 --> 00:29:49,970
yurt you're in my space this is not cool

702
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:52,649
absolutely so what you need a tissue for

703
00:29:58,810 --> 00:29:56,340
this when he got tissue nearby okay you

704
00:30:02,389 --> 00:29:58,820
just leave you can do this leaves okay

705
00:30:05,869 --> 00:30:02,399
so Washoe had a bit of an attitude okay

706
00:30:07,730 --> 00:30:05,879
and her handler one of her trainers had

707
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:07,740
left for a few weeks and come back and

708
00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:09,480
the trainer gone back she went on

709
00:30:13,249 --> 00:30:11,340
maternity leave and when she came back

710
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:13,259
she wasn't pregnant and she didn't have

711
00:30:18,649 --> 00:30:16,440
the baby and so Washoe was was not very

712
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,659
happy and and the trainer started

713
00:30:22,009 --> 00:30:20,399
talking to her and why she said well you

714
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:22,019
know where you been and she said well I

715
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:23,570
lost my baby

716
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:26,340
Washoe recognized that she had a

717
00:30:31,779 --> 00:30:29,490
miscarriage the baby didn't survive so

718
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,789
wash it wash Oh couldn't cry those

719
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:34,320
chimpanzees lack tear ducts so she

720
00:30:40,220 --> 00:30:38,460
gestured the at the emotion of crime

721
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:40,230
that is fully symbolic behavior

722
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:43,110
something a chimpanzee can't do but

723
00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:45,480
recognize that people can do and that

724
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:48,390
she created a new gesture of something

725
00:30:53,540 --> 00:30:50,700
that came at her just by something she

726
00:30:58,220 --> 00:30:53,550
watched watched so we didn't become we

727
00:30:59,270 --> 00:30:58,230
didn't become symbolic beings because of

728
00:31:02,330 --> 00:30:59,280
loosens and drugs

729
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:02,340
we had symbolism from the being

730
00:31:07,910 --> 00:31:05,970
chimpanzees and some between being

731
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:07,920
chimpanzees and what we are now there

732
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:10,110
are probably many stages of what people

733
00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:14,700
could and couldn't do so I'm not a you

734
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:16,500
know I'm a big chip pan but I believe

735
00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:19,050
we're not chimps and I don't believe

736
00:31:22,910 --> 00:31:20,820
that we need to have losing genetic drug

737
00:31:26,270 --> 00:31:22,920
or visionary plants to have symbolic

738
00:31:30,110 --> 00:31:26,280
behavior not in the same way your kid

739
00:31:31,910 --> 00:31:30,120
doesn't need to take drugs to you know

740
00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:31,920
display herself out in the water so she

741
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:34,140
don't so you can swim a little bit the

742
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:36,810
same sort of thing now in the in in the

743
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:41,370
world people have in the world people do

744
00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:45,330
have trance dances I'm sorry people do

745
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:47,040
have altered states of consciousness and

746
00:31:54,170 --> 00:31:50,340
the most common way that they do it is

747
00:31:56,050 --> 00:31:54,180
through a trance dance and drumming so

748
00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:56,060
all around the world people do that

749
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:58,770
cultivate in places and in places where

750
00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:00,840
there are loose inject drugs they still

751
00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:02,700
go into trance dance and the drumming

752
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:05,790
for their their ceremonial purposes have

753
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:07,080
you have you been to a nightclub with a

754
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:08,940
DJ but obviously oh yeah it's the same

755
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:13,290
thing it's yeah there was a like one of

756
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,510
the the pioneers of house music a

757
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,000
Laureus cane owned a record store here

758
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:21,360
in Ottawa called ABM where I base it

759
00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:22,770
like when I first started DJ and that's

760
00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:25,260
where you got your music and Fridays at

761
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:28,020
noon there would be a lineup of you know

762
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:30,330
50 to 100 people cuz that's when the new

763
00:32:33,980 --> 00:32:31,530
stuff came in and this was obviously

764
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:33,990
before mp3s or the ability to buy stuff

765
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:37,200
online um and he was actually I forget

766
00:32:41,150 --> 00:32:39,630
the book and my friend Thomas techno

767
00:32:43,220 --> 00:32:41,160
brat would would know cuz I think he's

768
00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:43,230
got a copy of it but they actually

769
00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:46,620
looked into this as the DJ being the

770
00:32:51,790 --> 00:32:50,190
new-age shaman or or witch doctor and he

771
00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:51,800
would be the person who would

772
00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:54,140
would bring the beat and you know like

773
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,030
there are the ones that conduct the the

774
00:33:00,610 --> 00:32:58,640
dance and you know now you've got you

775
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:00,620
know sixteen year olds to however all

776
00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:02,510
however many year olds who are chewing

777
00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:04,340
on Molly and then as a result their

778
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:09,590
lower backs but you're you're looking at

779
00:33:14,290 --> 00:33:10,610
the same thing you're looking at an

780
00:33:17,650 --> 00:33:14,300
altered state of consciousness to a 4/4

781
00:33:21,490 --> 00:33:17,660
you know constant bleed of around 120 to

782
00:33:23,410 --> 00:33:21,500
145 BPM and there is a an entire culture

783
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:23,420
around that there is you know an entire

784
00:33:27,850 --> 00:33:25,610
movement that your sword or a motion you

785
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:27,860
get from the music from doing that it's

786
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:30,050
a brilliant example absolutely so in

787
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:32,690
Hancock's we were talking the first two

788
00:33:36,460 --> 00:33:34,310
minutes of his TED talk but the entire

789
00:33:38,530 --> 00:33:36,470
news TED talk he never brings up all

790
00:33:40,270 --> 00:33:38,540
just ABS consciousness by trance dance

791
00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:40,280
and drumming but it is the most

792
00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:42,350
prevalent world around the world people

793
00:33:47,710 --> 00:33:45,140
do useful issue synthetic drugs shamanic

794
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:47,720
practices so it in Siberia they use

795
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:50,960
psilocybin mushrooms in they use

796
00:33:56,050 --> 00:33:54,110
ayahuasca in Amazon so different parts

797
00:33:58,540 --> 00:33:56,060
of the world so we'll call those fringe

798
00:34:00,670 --> 00:33:58,550
groups that have that but the the base

799
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:00,680
of the tree or the roots of this tree

800
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:03,710
where people have these ceremonies where

801
00:34:08,140 --> 00:34:06,170
all around the world have experience

802
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:08,150
it's the drumming and the trance dance

803
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:10,510
and that's that's really important and

804
00:34:16,990 --> 00:34:13,970
he talked about David Lewis Williams I'm

805
00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:17,000
David Lewis Williams professor Davis was

806
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:19,700
Williams did work on study of shamanic

807
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:21,919
people in Africa and he basically came

808
00:34:27,850 --> 00:34:25,040
up with the same concept now Hancock

809
00:34:32,490 --> 00:34:27,860
shows Louis Williams and he says that

810
00:34:35,050 --> 00:34:32,500
think correctly that Louis shamanic

811
00:34:36,700 --> 00:34:35,060
shamanism and loosened gems rugs he put

812
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:36,710
them in the same sentence but in fact

813
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:41,450
but in fact did David Lewis Williams did

814
00:34:47,770 --> 00:34:45,919
not advocate the use of loosening of

815
00:34:49,150 --> 00:34:47,780
drugs for the creation of hell at the

816
00:34:51,610 --> 00:34:49,160
art he thought he said he had a

817
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:51,620
completely different hypothesis he said

818
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:55,010
that we have patterns and o'mine circles

819
00:34:59,800 --> 00:34:56,960
and squares and trials and so on and

820
00:35:03,250 --> 00:34:59,810
that these people when they're there in

821
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:03,260
a light deprived place for a long period

822
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:05,290
of time they project though

823
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:07,930
those images onto the walls and some of

824
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:09,310
them become horses some of them became

825
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:11,950
orcs now I don't agree with David Lewis

826
00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:15,310
Williams hypothesis as he had it in his

827
00:35:20,250 --> 00:35:17,140
books but it's an alternative

828
00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:20,260
perspective than Hancock had and so

829
00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:22,870
David Lewis Williams picture should not

830
00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:24,790
have been used with the loosens aren't

831
00:35:28,110 --> 00:35:26,260
drugs and he should not have been

832
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:28,120
associated with it in his in his

833
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:31,690
Bourbons because it's just not Lewis

834
00:35:38,490 --> 00:35:34,210
they Baloo's never said it he never

835
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:38,500
wrote it and it is a completely I don't

836
00:35:44,430 --> 00:35:41,200
agree with Lewis's work but it's a

837
00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:44,440
completely different path and I believe

838
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:47,740
that I don't believe any any I think we

839
00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:50,650
should all have freedom of speech but if

840
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:51,880
you're going to if you're going to

841
00:35:58,170 --> 00:35:55,690
misrepresent people you TED talk needs

842
00:36:00,060 --> 00:35:58,180
to be fixed and the order should be some

843
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:00,070
sort of notation underneath to say that

844
00:36:04,530 --> 00:36:02,410
you know David Lewis Williams didn't say

845
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:04,540
this his picture shouldn't be associated

846
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:06,370
with the drugs and so forth because

847
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,250
that's not who he is and who he was at

848
00:36:13,290 --> 00:36:11,200
the time and his book is the mind in the

849
00:36:14,580 --> 00:36:13,300
cave but he also went on to write other

850
00:36:18,270 --> 00:36:14,590
books and many other so-called

851
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:18,280
peer-reviewed articles and that's where

852
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:21,970
I think that's really important so kind

853
00:36:26,490 --> 00:36:23,530
of like I'm a summary of how I see this

854
00:36:28,530 --> 00:36:26,500
is that all Pierre story story paradigms

855
00:36:30,510 --> 00:36:28,540
have a life to them there will always be

856
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,520
the Repat under three pattern of stars

857
00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:33,040
depths of Earth to make archaeological

858
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:35,080
finds indigenous stories to be rehired

859
00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:37,930
from long ago and alternative

860
00:36:43,110 --> 00:36:39,820
perspectives from fresh eyes that seek

861
00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:43,120
to solve mankind's timeless riddles we

862
00:36:47,610 --> 00:36:45,070
inherently have creative minds that are

863
00:36:49,590 --> 00:36:47,620
open to infinite possibilities mines

864
00:36:53,220 --> 00:36:49,600
that predate both a cave art in Europe

865
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:53,230
and the use of hallucinogenic drugs and

866
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,390
if that's like a summary is that we're

867
00:36:59,220 --> 00:36:57,760
you know there's many directions we can

868
00:37:01,020 --> 00:36:59,230
go in the direction I went was to look

869
00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:01,030
at to find the characters and look at

870
00:37:05,550 --> 00:37:02,980
them through myth and a psychology of

871
00:37:08,850 --> 00:37:05,560
man David Lewis Williams had his

872
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:08,860
direction in and chantal was was focused

873
00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:12,010
on astronomy she brilliant work and she

874
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:14,380
did her video hat that he has other

875
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:16,970
caves as well

876
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:20,720
recommend people to tune into it but you

877
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:24,770
know going back to Hancock's image you

878
00:37:33,099 --> 00:37:27,710
know his band TED talk and what he threw

879
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:33,109
up there is you know if you're taking

880
00:37:38,109 --> 00:37:36,650
magic mushrooms then that's what's in

881
00:37:39,970 --> 00:37:38,119
your mind and you you believe that

882
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:39,980
becomes your reality is used through

883
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:42,650
magic mushrooms you you see it'll turn a

884
00:37:46,089 --> 00:37:44,570
different a different reality and you

885
00:37:47,339 --> 00:37:46,099
you can say well you know maybe

886
00:37:49,150 --> 00:37:47,349
everybody else

887
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:49,160
mankind had a different reality

888
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:50,690
different consciousness a different

889
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:52,910
simple behavior through these magic

890
00:37:57,690 --> 00:37:55,250
mushrooms but it isn't reality because

891
00:38:00,760 --> 00:37:57,700
we can find all these measurable

892
00:38:02,349 --> 00:38:00,770
reasonable explanations that are done

893
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,359
can be found without hallucinogenic

894
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,400
drugs so I think you solution genders in

895
00:38:08,980 --> 00:38:07,520
my work but I could do this and part of

896
00:38:10,750 --> 00:38:08,990
the reason is that I didn't even know

897
00:38:11,290 --> 00:38:10,760
about Hancock's work when I was writing

898
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:11,300
about

899
00:38:16,450 --> 00:38:14,450
I'm glad the first half in anyway and

900
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:16,460
I'm glad I did it because it let me let

901
00:38:24,220 --> 00:38:20,810
me to explore other directions which we

902
00:38:25,570 --> 00:38:24,230
can now see in our that are more

903
00:38:27,609 --> 00:38:25,580
interesting than you know they must have

904
00:38:30,670 --> 00:38:27,619
been on drugs and here's a question I

905
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:30,680
asked you back in our first session was

906
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,550
if your if your kid when your daughter

907
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:35,839
goes to school and she comes someday

908
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:38,510
comes home with a D on the math test you

909
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:40,490
know and says you know the teacher must

910
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:41,930
have been on drugs that's why I can't

911
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,290
understand this do you say to your kid

912
00:38:48,339 --> 00:38:46,640
well maybe you should try those drugs or

913
00:38:50,650 --> 00:38:48,349
let's work let's look at the math

914
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:50,660
problems let's let's figure out how we

915
00:38:59,020 --> 00:38:52,970
can do it so that's the question for you

916
00:39:02,320 --> 00:38:59,030
Chris well if that ever happens in it it

917
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:02,330
comes down to two things coming from a

918
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:04,730
guy who and all I'll be flattened on a

919
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:10,400
flat honest I took last year geometry

920
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:14,010
and algebra a couple of times just

921
00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:15,630
the first time I didn't pass it second

922
00:39:18,860 --> 00:39:16,830
time I didn't pass it and I think it was

923
00:39:21,350 --> 00:39:18,870
a third time and say okay maybe I should

924
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:21,360
just switch to chemistry and it wasn't a

925
00:39:27,590 --> 00:39:23,910
lack of understanding of the concepts it

926
00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:27,600
was a lack of effort in application to

927
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:32,190
put those concepts into a you know into

928
00:39:39,140 --> 00:39:34,910
work I I didn't put the effort into it

929
00:39:42,250 --> 00:39:39,150
and if I had done a little bit better

930
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:42,260
ordered less pizza during my classes and

931
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:45,210
actually had you know applied myself I

932
00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:47,330
probably would have done a lot better

933
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:50,190
understanding something for a concept

934
00:39:54,590 --> 00:39:52,100
like this is a matter of sitting down

935
00:39:56,330 --> 00:39:54,600
and wrap it like there's some repetition

936
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,340
to it there's also a matter of exploring

937
00:40:00,980 --> 00:39:58,320
the concept and realizing if it's not

938
00:40:02,330 --> 00:40:00,990
working why it's not working so well

939
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:02,340
that ever happened probably not because

940
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,810
I'll also make sure that my daughter

941
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:05,760
knows that if she needs help

942
00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:09,690
to actually ask me because I didn't do

943
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:12,630
that I probably should you need to

944
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:16,170
address I'm yeah I love munch she's

945
00:40:27,380 --> 00:40:21,060
still going so that's you know let's

946
00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:27,390
hope the streakiness takes alive we need

947
00:40:30,530 --> 00:40:28,590
to do some more sessions some many

948
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:30,540
sessions like this explore the issues

949
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:32,130
well we were still about 20 minutes left

950
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:33,690
on this one and I don't know I was okay

951
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,880
cuz well you know we do an hour for when

952
00:40:41,180 --> 00:40:38,160
we go live and when we first started you

953
00:40:44,270 --> 00:40:41,190
know my my daughter was still doing back

954
00:40:47,420 --> 00:40:44,280
somersaults in her crib cuz okay so I

955
00:40:51,110 --> 00:40:47,430
know that you had sent a few of the

956
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:51,120
images from a steel cave and this is the

957
00:40:59,170 --> 00:40:56,839
petracles

958
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,180
that that were were found in in in

959
00:41:03,529 --> 00:41:01,680
Casteel cave and I know we had analyzed

960
00:41:08,029 --> 00:41:03,539
this at length and the biggest question

961
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:08,039
that I had had from this is if these are

962
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:10,920
supposed to be based on animals and you

963
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:12,930
know I can still see the man I could

964
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:15,720
still see the the lion or the Sphinx

965
00:41:20,979 --> 00:41:18,720
image but those particular dots were

966
00:41:23,650 --> 00:41:20,989
placed and painted in a particular way

967
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:23,660
why were they done in that order and

968
00:41:28,579 --> 00:41:25,710
what's the significance that you've been

969
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:28,589
able to find based on on that end of the

970
00:41:32,479 --> 00:41:31,049
images that are supposed to be seen sure

971
00:41:35,859 --> 00:41:32,489
so we already we already termined that a

972
00:41:38,299 --> 00:41:35,869
lot of those discs make up the

973
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:38,309
characters or you know the molten

974
00:41:43,099 --> 00:41:39,720
pattern on the neck of the giraffe it

975
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,109
makes up the speckles for the mayor and

976
00:41:49,099 --> 00:41:45,359
the eyes of The Apprentice so we found

977
00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:49,109
that they so the question is how did why

978
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:51,390
did the artist stream them strict kind

979
00:41:55,759 --> 00:41:53,130
of on a horizontal plane through the

980
00:41:58,579 --> 00:41:55,769
center of the image okay that's really

981
00:42:03,499 --> 00:41:58,589
the question and the answer is other

982
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:03,509
that this is what he did okay so the

983
00:42:07,789 --> 00:42:06,180
image that you see are the

984
00:42:10,759 --> 00:42:07,799
constellations as he saw them in the

985
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:10,769
night sky in his mind okay

986
00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:13,049
the difference is that those those

987
00:42:18,019 --> 00:42:15,420
characters overlap with each other okay

988
00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:18,029
and they're they're the cosmic egg

989
00:42:23,059 --> 00:42:20,670
before there's expanded before the

990
00:42:24,769 --> 00:42:23,069
so-called big bang that they saw the big

991
00:42:28,249 --> 00:42:24,779
bang all the constellations were

992
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:28,259
together in this in this cosmic egg okay

993
00:42:33,999 --> 00:42:29,849
so what usual

994
00:42:36,739 --> 00:42:34,009
so he's condensed all the images

995
00:42:37,940 --> 00:42:36,749
together and that's why they overlap

996
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,950
with each other that's how the man

997
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:39,359
overlaps with the horse to become the

998
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,700
scent or the the dolphin overlaps with

999
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:44,400
another man to become the Merman and so

1000
00:42:50,180 --> 00:42:48,210
forth and so the so the question is why

1001
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:50,190
do they run across what how did he do it

1002
00:42:54,709 --> 00:42:52,079
that way because I believe he needs to

1003
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:54,719
do it that way to get them that was like

1004
00:42:59,029 --> 00:42:57,420
that you know when you drew an image you

1005
00:43:00,920 --> 00:42:59,039
probably you don't just starts wiggling

1006
00:43:03,769 --> 00:43:00,930
Rhines around or on you start with a

1007
00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:03,779
pattern right you're gonna draw a man's

1008
00:43:07,819 --> 00:43:05,400
face you might make some sort of a

1009
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:07,829
helmet okay and you start making ears

1010
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,960
and nose and off of the helmet like a

1011
00:43:13,610 --> 00:43:10,560
kind of

1012
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:13,620
helmet design if you're gonna if you're

1013
00:43:17,420 --> 00:43:15,660
gonna George or horse you and I drew a

1014
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:17,430
horse maybe we juror like some sort of

1015
00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:19,410
rectangle right and then we put legs on

1016
00:43:23,420 --> 00:43:21,000
it and then we erase stuff out and you

1017
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:23,430
know smooth out the lines and so on well

1018
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:25,650
I believe that those read does that run

1019
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:28,200
across horizontal to in the center had

1020
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:30,180
something to do with the pattern that he

1021
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:33,420
that he was going off of to create these

1022
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:36,060
images now the center of that image was

1023
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:38,940
also the horizon line okay there so the

1024
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:40,980
constellations they run through the

1025
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:43,650
night sky through that horizon that

1026
00:43:50,180 --> 00:43:46,770
horizon line okay it's actually it's a

1027
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:50,190
early June pre-dawn scene thirty-four

1028
00:43:55,820 --> 00:43:52,770
thousand years ago so that's why some

1029
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:55,830
some of the characters look up and the

1030
00:43:59,660 --> 00:43:57,300
characters look up and someone looked

1031
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:59,670
down actually face down that look up

1032
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,140
they son face up towards the ceiling at

1033
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:02,880
some face towards the bottom well that's

1034
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:05,490
impossible in the real world and so if

1035
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:08,220
you there's that so one end is if you

1036
00:44:11,570 --> 00:44:09,810
look at the image to yourself to your

1037
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:11,580
right is the north to the left is the

1038
00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:14,640
south the top is the east and the bottom

1039
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:18,390
is the west okay so that's why he has

1040
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:23,160
that center line okay so so what I do I

1041
00:44:27,350 --> 00:44:25,410
actually cut it I cut that image and I

1042
00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:27,360
laid it out and I can see the the

1043
00:44:31,070 --> 00:44:28,740
constellations I'd easily moved through

1044
00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:31,080
the night sky and so you're looking at

1045
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:33,180
this is the giraffe that I just brought

1046
00:44:39,260 --> 00:44:36,780
up it's direct yeah so anyway so why why

1047
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:39,270
did he do that horizontal pattern across

1048
00:44:43,250 --> 00:44:41,310
it what wasn't cuz he was on drugs okay

1049
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:43,260
cuz this guy was really smart and he

1050
00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:45,660
wasn't he was not just smart but he was

1051
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:48,420
in tune what he was doing with very

1052
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:51,650
finite details because it was like the

1053
00:45:00,020 --> 00:44:55,290
it was the the basic pattern that he had

1054
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:00,030
for the for the rest of his vision now I

1055
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:01,890
believe there's some sort of order or

1056
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:04,890
some sort of nomenclature or count to

1057
00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:06,690
those red disks I just haven't figured

1058
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:08,100
it out yet

1059
00:45:12,980 --> 00:45:10,920
and so I'm I've looked at lunar timing

1060
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:12,990
I'm not really sure I have some ideas

1061
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:16,290
but I'm I've never really worked that

1062
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:20,110
one out yet but but by not

1063
00:45:24,570 --> 00:45:22,210
counting the disks I was actually able

1064
00:45:26,670 --> 00:45:24,580
to or get focused on those redness I was

1065
00:45:28,830 --> 00:45:26,680
able to see the forest new trees or in

1066
00:45:31,650 --> 00:45:28,840
this case you know the elephant behind

1067
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,660
the red disks now the the red haired man

1068
00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:33,760
is a pretty interesting one because it's

1069
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:37,390
well you've got the man running with a

1070
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:39,490
giant Club and you want honestly the

1071
00:45:45,150 --> 00:45:41,530
styling of it looks like one of those

1072
00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:45,160
70s Beatles cartoons it's just kind of

1073
00:45:54,570 --> 00:45:52,350
that's fascinating isn't it oh yeah it

1074
00:46:00,110 --> 00:45:54,580
is because you've got the the long locks

1075
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:01,910
and the fact that it still does cover

1076
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:05,610
the the upper a part of that now how did

1077
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,050
you like its seems very interesting that

1078
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:13,200
these images they're blacked out on this

1079
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:14,400
and obviously if you're in the cave and

1080
00:46:18,620 --> 00:46:16,170
you're looking sideways you're not able

1081
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:18,630
to see that necessarily but how did you

1082
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:20,610
get to the point where you were able to

1083
00:46:23,830 --> 00:46:22,140
actually see the different care like

1084
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:23,840
that particular character that was there

1085
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:26,220
well a few things first is that although

1086
00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:28,980
my were all wired differently and so I

1087
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,870
can take an embedded image test and

1088
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:32,880
recognize characters more quickly than

1089
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:36,000
people can who don't have that ability

1090
00:46:40,070 --> 00:46:38,610
and in that everybody's taking this

1091
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:40,080
invented visual sense if you go to like

1092
00:46:44,330 --> 00:46:42,060
the old-fashioned diners and you see

1093
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:44,340
that you have the kids placemat and they

1094
00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:45,720
have like you have to find the animals

1095
00:46:51,830 --> 00:46:48,440
in it that's an embedded figures test

1096
00:46:54,350 --> 00:46:51,840
okay so say it's the same concept so I'm

1097
00:46:56,570 --> 00:46:54,360
naturally my mind works like and find

1098
00:46:59,120 --> 00:46:56,580
those images inside and then I see the

1099
00:47:02,000 --> 00:46:59,130
world differently than most people but

1100
00:47:03,860 --> 00:47:02,010
as I went through this process my and I

1101
00:47:06,110 --> 00:47:03,870
did so many of them Mike I believe my

1102
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:06,120
brain was actually even rewired a little

1103
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:08,520
bit and so when I look at these images

1104
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:11,610
now in any of the caves I mean the

1105
00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:13,770
animals and the characters jump out of

1106
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,350
it whereas when I first start working on

1107
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:18,000
this I kind of had it work I had a you

1108
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:20,040
know charge my way through it now I've

1109
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:22,350
shown these images other people and I

1110
00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:24,180
can see a spectrum of who concede who

1111
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:26,280
can and I showed to one person who

1112
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:27,720
actually saw everything everything you

1113
00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:29,880
and I could see today they saw it in an

1114
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,350
instant this person soared in an instant

1115
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:33,420
which was brilliant where I've shown it

1116
00:47:38,540 --> 00:47:35,910
to other people and they really struggle

1117
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:38,550
to see them even the elephant and I can

1118
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:40,560
tell by what where people go in their

1119
00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:42,450
life's journey in their own careers

1120
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:44,580
where they are in the spectrum of what

1121
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:47,400
they can see are not the speckled mares

1122
00:47:53,540 --> 00:47:50,370
is pretty interesting because it you're

1123
00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:53,550
looking at at a firm profile with you

1124
00:47:59,300 --> 00:47:55,980
know the mayor's we are kind of sticking

1125
00:48:02,720 --> 00:47:59,310
out yes I'm not much of a horse person I

1126
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:02,730
don't know the prevalence of a jumping

1127
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:07,250
okay leaving you

1128
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:08,690
the front the front hooves that are up

1129
00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:11,930
okay yeah it's leaving so here's a story

1130
00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:15,560
when I first started working on that I

1131
00:48:18,460 --> 00:48:17,180
was counting the red disk just like

1132
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:18,470
everybody else and the reason this is a

1133
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:21,770
ten meter panel almost 30 feet it's huge

1134
00:48:26,350 --> 00:48:23,450
and I figured you know the most common

1135
00:48:28,210 --> 00:48:26,360
character impel at the cave art is the

1136
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:28,220
horse and typically a pregnant mare and

1137
00:48:31,660 --> 00:48:29,930
so I said you know maybe there's a

1138
00:48:34,450 --> 00:48:31,670
pregnant mare in there so I start

1139
00:48:37,930 --> 00:48:34,460
looking for the horse and I didn't find

1140
00:48:39,340 --> 00:48:37,940
the horse - almost three years later but

1141
00:48:40,540 --> 00:48:39,350
I first saw the elephant pretty quick

1142
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,550
and some of the other characters but

1143
00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:43,760
they finally find the horse was the most

1144
00:48:48,580 --> 00:48:45,800
significant character the fine because

1145
00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:48,590
the horse became Pegasus in the

1146
00:48:54,130 --> 00:48:51,590
constellations and then Ikki the eagle

1147
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,140
next next to the horse became Agia and

1148
00:48:59,920 --> 00:48:56,720
then the man to the northern end became

1149
00:49:03,100 --> 00:48:59,930
Hercules and so the man on the northern

1150
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:03,110
end hercules is counter the man with the

1151
00:49:06,550 --> 00:49:06,050
club on the on the southern end which is

1152
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:06,560
Orion

1153
00:49:11,650 --> 00:49:10,130
and when one Rises the other sets so

1154
00:49:14,530 --> 00:49:11,660
they're they're across each other on the

1155
00:49:17,890 --> 00:49:14,540
horizon on each base they see each other

1156
00:49:20,890 --> 00:49:17,900
for a moment and then they what rises

1157
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,900
the other disappears and the second one

1158
00:49:25,070 --> 00:49:23,520
is the teacher in The Apprentice

1159
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:25,080
that's all so that was pretty quick

1160
00:49:28,820 --> 00:49:26,730
within within the first day when I

1161
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:28,830
started looking I saw that one and it

1162
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:34,140
jumped out of me and what I realized at

1163
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:35,430
that point I thought I had everything

1164
00:49:39,620 --> 00:49:36,900
right there and I was like I'm done just

1165
00:49:41,710 --> 00:49:39,630
gonna finish this book up so we have

1166
00:49:44,060 --> 00:49:41,720
that this this teacher who has a

1167
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:44,070
Caucasoid look to him so people in Spain

1168
00:49:48,050 --> 00:49:46,200
saying Europe today and he's whispering

1169
00:49:51,830 --> 00:49:48,060
to the ear thus apprentice who has these

1170
00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:51,840
wide red eyes and the prentices mouth

1171
00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:56,520
dispersed he's in awe and the it's a

1172
00:50:01,040 --> 00:49:58,530
fascinating scene because it's someone

1173
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,050
telling teaching somebody else telling

1174
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:03,119
them a story and we ultimately finds

1175
00:50:08,420 --> 00:50:05,160
that that story is of this hero's

1176
00:50:10,550 --> 00:50:08,430
journey through land that goes from the

1177
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:10,560
Iberian Peninsula Spain all the way to

1178
00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:13,140
Africa and back again but it's not just

1179
00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:16,190
on the land that we find that's also the

1180
00:50:20,330 --> 00:50:18,150
reflectional is animals into the night

1181
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:20,340
sky because they the same constellations

1182
00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:22,500
and so as he's going through land he

1183
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:24,180
sees these animals and he looks up to

1184
00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:25,740
the night sky and he sees those

1185
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,859
constellations that represented him now

1186
00:50:33,250 --> 00:50:30,960
why were some of these images placed on

1187
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:33,260
their side and some of them that are

1188
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:37,650
standardly vertically faced because

1189
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:40,200
they're if you could if you can take a

1190
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:42,090
pair of scissors

1191
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:47,310
and if you cut out right down that

1192
00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:51,180
center line okay and you you would have

1193
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,270
that's one horizon okay so everything

1194
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:55,920
above this under eyes and the center

1195
00:50:59,920 --> 00:50:58,380
line is one horizon everything below the

1196
00:51:02,420 --> 00:50:59,930
center line is another horizon

1197
00:51:05,780 --> 00:51:02,430
everything on the right side of it is a

1198
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:05,790
that's a horizon and then the left sides

1199
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:08,280
are different horizon as you see the

1200
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:10,770
constellations in the night sky against

1201
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:13,849
the actual horizon

1202
00:51:18,889 --> 00:51:17,339
okay so it's it's about you well I

1203
00:51:21,229 --> 00:51:18,899
played without for a long time so

1204
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:21,239
actually I cut that thing out and I

1205
00:51:24,979 --> 00:51:23,249
really struggled because you know what

1206
00:51:26,959 --> 00:51:24,989
makes east north south and so on and

1207
00:51:29,089 --> 00:51:26,969
ultimately the answer was once a head a

1208
00:51:30,709 --> 00:51:29,099
Hercules and I had Iranian I had the

1209
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:30,719
north and south

1210
00:51:38,209 --> 00:51:34,529
and then the you know the Sphinx in Giza

1211
00:51:40,969 --> 00:51:38,219
space it faces east which is legal so

1212
00:51:44,479 --> 00:51:40,979
yeah okay so this the same space is east

1213
00:51:47,929 --> 00:51:44,489
because not because it times anything

1214
00:51:49,819 --> 00:51:47,939
that with the procession the equinoxes

1215
00:51:51,769 --> 00:51:49,829
it's because the ancient Egyptians

1216
00:51:56,439 --> 00:51:51,779
borrowed from this image and they have

1217
00:51:59,149 --> 00:51:56,449
an east-facing lion which is also the

1218
00:52:01,299 --> 00:51:59,159
the man the head of the man comes out of

1219
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:01,309
it the creature which makes it the space

1220
00:52:06,469 --> 00:52:03,630
by the way most people don't see that as

1221
00:52:08,659 --> 00:52:06,479
well as you do but you have an artistic

1222
00:52:11,299 --> 00:52:08,669
eye well yeah you kind of have to know

1223
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:11,309
also being you know with with the whole

1224
00:52:15,649 --> 00:52:13,649
being a freemason Illuminati things

1225
00:52:17,569 --> 00:52:15,659
symbolism is kind of what we do look you

1226
00:52:20,089 --> 00:52:17,579
have to yeah you have to be able to dig

1227
00:52:21,499 --> 00:52:20,099
deep within the metaphor to to kind of

1228
00:52:26,169 --> 00:52:21,509
get an understanding or get a lesson out

1229
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:26,179
of it and it's the same with heikoko hmm

1230
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:29,880
she's she's she's come to say hello

1231
00:52:34,009 --> 00:52:30,329
again

1232
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:34,019
you have to dig deep into you know what

1233
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:35,729
what you're either seeing or what is

1234
00:52:40,609 --> 00:52:39,119
being told to you to try and get a get a

1235
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:40,619
lesson out of the metaphor and most of

1236
00:52:45,259 --> 00:52:42,209
what we deal with day-to-day is metaphor

1237
00:52:47,779 --> 00:52:45,269
as you said like symbolism is part of

1238
00:52:49,789 --> 00:52:47,789
our language and if I want to be able to

1239
00:52:52,009 --> 00:52:49,799
get a concept across to somebody I can

1240
00:52:53,299 --> 00:52:52,019
tell them in plain English and they may

1241
00:52:54,649 --> 00:52:53,309
still not understand it so then I'll

1242
00:52:57,979 --> 00:52:54,659
actually then you have to switch to

1243
00:53:01,129 --> 00:52:57,989
metaphor as an example so they get an

1244
00:53:03,590 --> 00:53:01,139
idea of that concept by relating to it

1245
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:03,600
through their own experience

1246
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:07,200
exactly so we do incredible things or we

1247
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:08,970
suggest incredible things through

1248
00:53:13,070 --> 00:53:10,770
metaphors that someone runs as fast as a

1249
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:13,080
cheetah and no one runs as fast a

1250
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:14,730
cheetah we all know and when you start

1251
00:53:18,830 --> 00:53:16,170
combining all those metaphors together

1252
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:18,840
you have a story you have a myth mm and

1253
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:20,790
so we still have that animus mind within

1254
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:23,730
us um you know we can we can look at Ant

1255
00:53:27,770 --> 00:53:25,650
Man and kind of connect you know this is

1256
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,780
fun this is real and we know that we

1257
00:53:32,290 --> 00:53:30,000
could never become come like an ant

1258
00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:32,300
we never know we can never become Batman

1259
00:53:37,790 --> 00:53:35,640
or spider-man but we can relate to these

1260
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:37,800
characters as heroes because we can we

1261
00:53:41,210 --> 00:53:39,330
can draw the strength from the

1262
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,220
characters and the same way this palette

1263
00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:43,200
arstan so the man overlaps with the

1264
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:44,760
horse have come to Centaurus he draws

1265
00:53:48,980 --> 00:53:47,250
strength from the horse the man overlaps

1266
00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:48,990
with the dolphin become the Murrah man

1267
00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:51,000
to gorge strength from the dolphin now

1268
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:52,020
let's not kid ourselves

1269
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:53,310
Elon Musk has enough money he could

1270
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:56,250
become Batman he may actually be Batman

1271
00:54:00,380 --> 00:53:59,040
I'm working yeah I've ever seen Elon

1272
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:00,390
Musk in Batman in the same room

1273
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:06,720
no no well you know the difference we we

1274
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:10,170
the we still have that Batman within us

1275
00:54:13,870 --> 00:54:11,730
we still have the bat within us the only

1276
00:54:18,730 --> 00:54:13,880
difference is we just have better toys

1277
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:18,740
we're still animus with it at heart and

1278
00:54:25,340 --> 00:54:21,030
just like this power that cave artists

1279
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:25,350
were um we just have better toys yeah

1280
00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:28,650
you can see that until your cat knocks

1281
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:30,540
them off your desk after trying to keep

1282
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:34,290
I'm playing keep-away with her she's

1283
00:54:40,610 --> 00:54:37,970
going after my phone and all that and hi

1284
00:54:42,590 --> 00:54:40,620
so what'd you learn tonight about health

1285
00:54:44,210 --> 00:54:42,600
at Kmart and hallucinogenic drugs and

1286
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:44,220
visionary are they visionary plants with

1287
00:54:48,590 --> 00:54:46,710
hallucinogenic drugs um honestly I'm

1288
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:48,600
gonna go with they're probably probably

1289
00:54:53,090 --> 00:54:50,490
hallucinogenic drugs but again that's

1290
00:54:57,260 --> 00:54:53,100
kind of more my I'm an outlier in the

1291
00:54:59,060 --> 00:54:57,270
alternative knowledge field where it's

1292
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:59,070
just like yeah you like the whole expand

1293
00:55:01,730 --> 00:55:00,480
your mind thing it's like that's great

1294
00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:01,740
if you need to be able to do that I

1295
00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:03,270
don't know if I want to be able to

1296
00:55:09,130 --> 00:55:05,430
expand in my mind I'll I'll have a glass

1297
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:09,140
of scotch and I'll think I don't need to

1298
00:55:13,740 --> 00:55:13,110
personally don't need that that added a

1299
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:13,750
little

1300
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:15,610
something something to gain some self

1301
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:18,400
awareness of who I am and what I've done

1302
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:20,650
or were the type of person that I am I

1303
00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:21,040
just

1304
00:55:25,950 --> 00:55:23,140
you know it's called contemplation and

1305
00:55:28,590 --> 00:55:25,960
no I'm not being a sociopath

1306
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,600
I guess and so the invitation is still

1307
00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:30,640
out there for Graham right it's always

1308
00:55:34,140 --> 00:55:31,900
out there even if he wants to come on

1309
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:34,150
the show and cuss me up and down for

1310
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:35,710
saying like well there might be

1311
00:55:39,390 --> 00:55:36,400
something else

1312
00:55:41,070 --> 00:55:39,400
to this we'll see a grant Graham is one

1313
00:55:43,350 --> 00:55:41,080
of those people where he's been a hero

1314
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:43,360
of mine if if he wants to come and yell

1315
00:55:47,070 --> 00:55:46,240
at me for questioning the the doctrine

1316
00:55:50,250 --> 00:55:47,080
it's like just sitting there going like

1317
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:50,260
wow crab and crab right now this is

1318
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:51,730
awesome

1319
00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:53,890
you know there we didn't say anything

1320
00:55:59,940 --> 00:55:56,200
tonight that was derogatory you know

1321
00:56:02,220 --> 00:55:59,950
Graham's awesome you kidding me just

1322
00:56:03,930 --> 00:56:02,230
look at the evidence it's it's a matter

1323
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:03,940
of like eight well its opinion and at

1324
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:05,350
least for my it for my side and again I

1325
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:07,660
could be completely wrong Graham could

1326
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:12,130
be right it's it the question is have we

1327
00:56:16,530 --> 00:56:14,530
explored the the entire subject enough

1328
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:16,540
and is it something that is open for

1329
00:56:21,870 --> 00:56:20,290
discussion and and I think that you know

1330
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:21,880
there is always a way to be able to gain

1331
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:23,410
consensus or at least deeper

1332
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:25,090
understanding of ourselves through that

1333
00:56:29,370 --> 00:56:27,910
discussion because you know even if I'm

1334
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:29,380
completely wrong it's still you know

1335
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:30,850
there may be other things that I come up

1336
00:56:37,170 --> 00:56:35,110
with in other realms of things that I'm

1337
00:56:40,110 --> 00:56:37,180
interested in whether it's design or you

1338
00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:40,120
know self self-awareness that you may

1339
00:56:43,830 --> 00:56:41,140
not have gotten from that discussion

1340
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:43,840
otherwise I believe that tonight this

1341
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:48,480
podcast is the first one that it's had a

1342
00:56:55,950 --> 00:56:53,520
alternative to loosen genic drugs in art

1343
00:56:57,630 --> 00:56:55,960
symbolism in the consciousness of men I

1344
00:57:00,180 --> 00:56:57,640
believe we're the first one to have an

1345
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,190
alternative there's tons of out there

1346
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,280
that will talk about ayahuasca and bring

1347
00:57:07,230 --> 00:57:04,720
on the consciousness of man around the

1348
00:57:11,970 --> 00:57:07,240
world but we're the first ones to

1349
00:57:15,090 --> 00:57:11,980
actually tell a different story I I'm

1350
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,100
open to the idea of expanding on it and

1351
00:57:18,810 --> 00:57:17,200
seeing where it goes art is something

1352
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:18,820
that's always been a part of my life and

1353
00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:23,200
my family your family members lives you

1354
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:25,420
know mate as long as it can advance the

1355
00:57:29,609 --> 00:57:27,609
art or at least advance the the concept

1356
00:57:31,949 --> 00:57:29,619
of the human mind and consciousness and

1357
00:57:34,499 --> 00:57:31,959
understanding consciousness in general I

1358
00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:34,509
think it's it's a something that's worth

1359
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:37,390
worth doing have you played with this

1360
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:39,729
idea this these cave art images in your

1361
00:57:46,049 --> 00:57:41,529
own work with the overlapping characters

1362
00:57:49,799 --> 00:57:46,059
have you considered that sometimes most

1363
00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:49,809
can you do it what do you think I mean

1364
00:57:53,759 --> 00:57:51,430
he says this guy was good right I can't

1365
00:57:57,029 --> 00:57:53,769
draw worth worth a damn I'm very good at

1366
00:57:58,499 --> 00:57:57,039
shapes and and the core design

1367
00:58:02,249 --> 00:57:58,509
principles if you put a pencil into my

1368
00:58:04,709 --> 00:58:02,259
hand I will screw up a you know I will

1369
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:04,719
screw up a stick figure and I I cannot

1370
00:58:12,029 --> 00:58:08,410
draw very well or I'm okay at it I just

1371
00:58:14,999 --> 00:58:12,039
am really hard on myself so maybe but

1372
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:15,009
you know you look at logos nowadays I

1373
00:58:28,890 --> 00:58:26,209
good-looking unique logo design

1374
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:28,900
inspiration you know you can get cool

1375
00:58:35,050 --> 00:58:33,430
this is from the OO Awards I'm going to

1376
00:58:40,420 --> 00:58:35,060
bring this up here see if I can actually

1377
00:58:46,090 --> 00:58:40,430
get us to close because you can you see

1378
00:58:48,190 --> 00:58:46,100
people who do logo design and they will

1379
00:58:52,380 --> 00:58:48,200
always do like a trick or try and do a

1380
00:58:56,020 --> 00:58:54,220
like something else like for instance

1381
00:58:59,320 --> 00:58:56,030
see if I can bring I'll bring this up

1382
00:59:01,480 --> 00:58:59,330
here this one is like a love clip okay

1383
00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:01,490
so your company's name is love clip okay

1384
00:59:08,650 --> 00:59:03,260
well you got a heart that's made out of

1385
00:59:11,260 --> 00:59:08,660
a paper clip it's like a visual pun as

1386
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:11,270
it were you know you try and make like

1387
00:59:15,580 --> 00:59:13,359
this one's a fence and you actually have

1388
00:59:18,010 --> 00:59:15,590
image of a fence that looks like a fence

1389
00:59:19,740 --> 00:59:18,020
okay that that's smart that's cute and

1390
00:59:22,450 --> 00:59:19,750
you can do it in pretty interesting ways

1391
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:22,460
but there is something to be said about

1392
00:59:30,010 --> 00:59:26,530
having a symbol that actually symbolizes

1393
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:30,020
what the brand actually stands for you

1394
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,490
know if you're looking at a brand a

1395
00:59:36,940 --> 00:59:33,680
brand is supposed to be bring to mind a

1396
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:36,950
feeling and emotion and representation

1397
00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:39,530
of what that company stands for what

1398
00:59:44,260 --> 00:59:41,990
what its values are so if you're doing a

1399
00:59:46,570 --> 00:59:44,270
visual pun it's like okay haha you've

1400
00:59:48,070 --> 00:59:46,580
got milk you mug and it's a mug made out

1401
00:59:53,050 --> 00:59:48,080
of a cow's udder but does that

1402
00:59:54,820 --> 00:59:53,060
necessarily translate the you know the

1403
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:54,830
feeling that the company's trying to

1404
00:59:58,270 --> 00:59:56,810
convey to their target audience and you

1405
01:00:00,010 --> 00:59:58,280
know unless you're going over a cute

1406
01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:00,020
company and we were kind of have a

1407
01:00:05,230 --> 01:00:02,950
smart-aleck you style of doing business

1408
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:05,240
you know you'll be hard-pressed people

1409
01:00:10,060 --> 01:00:08,720
to say that you know you I have seen

1410
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:10,070
these all over the place and they're

1411
01:00:17,590 --> 01:00:13,010
they're to me as somebody who's been

1412
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:17,600
doing branding crap close to 20 years

1413
01:00:26,730 --> 01:00:23,359
now it's it's the effort is going into

1414
01:00:30,580 --> 01:00:26,740
trying to make it it fun or trying to

1415
01:00:32,620 --> 01:00:30,590
you know make the jokes stick but it

1416
01:00:34,540 --> 01:00:32,630
doesn't necessarily serve the purpose of

1417
01:00:36,820 --> 01:00:34,550
the brand it's just it's the graphic

1418
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,830
designer trying to seem smart mm-hmm

1419
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:38,960
well great did you actually do the job

1420
01:00:42,460 --> 01:00:41,090
of conveying the brand ideals to the

1421
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:42,470
client no then you didn't do your job

1422
01:00:46,030 --> 01:00:45,050
you just made a cool picture so it can

1423
01:00:47,859 --> 01:00:46,040
be done

1424
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:47,869
like I could probably I can do stuff

1425
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:49,490
like this at any graphic designer who

1426
01:00:54,010 --> 01:00:52,730
understands you know creative concepts

1427
01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:54,020
and how to be able to develop and can do

1428
01:00:56,590 --> 01:00:54,350
it

1429
01:00:58,300 --> 01:00:56,600
there are probably 30 or 40 different

1430
01:01:00,849 --> 01:00:58,310
iterations that this person did

1431
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,859
like for instance up so they they sat

1432
01:01:04,450 --> 01:01:02,000
there with a piece of paper and a pen

1433
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:04,460
and you know with the craft paper and

1434
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:06,290
usually for most people who do with

1435
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:08,240
branding it's a sheet of paper with dots

1436
01:01:16,190 --> 01:01:13,760
that the cave artists or or any branding

1437
01:01:16,940 --> 01:01:16,200
person okay but the chemos didn't have a

1438
01:01:19,940 --> 01:01:16,950
pen and paper

1439
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:19,950
nobody had different walls probably or

1440
01:01:22,550 --> 01:01:21,180
he had different stones all over the

1441
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:22,560
place and I can guarantee you when he

1442
01:01:28,070 --> 01:01:25,200
did that one there's probably a trail of

1443
01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:28,080
designs from where that tribe started

1444
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:30,390
and they were party crappy compared to

1445
01:01:34,099 --> 01:01:32,130
that masterpiece they did on the on on

1446
01:01:35,930 --> 01:01:34,109
the the wall there or maybe it was on

1447
01:01:38,810 --> 01:01:35,940
the ground and that caught covered up

1448
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:38,820
maybe he just used a you know a stick on

1449
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,970
the dirt and just kind of drew it mm-hmm

1450
01:01:44,750 --> 01:01:43,680
but you know like you're looking at

1451
01:01:46,910 --> 01:01:44,760
something like this you've got your PIN

1452
01:01:48,140 --> 01:01:46,920
and paper you've got your your you know

1453
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:48,150
all the different ideas that you can go

1454
01:01:52,210 --> 01:01:49,890
through and you can go through 20 30 40

1455
01:01:54,589 --> 01:01:52,220
100 or - until you actually get to that

1456
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:54,599
you know that end result it depends on

1457
01:01:59,900 --> 01:01:56,970
on your thought process then you move it

1458
01:02:02,020 --> 01:01:59,910
to the actual live digital version and

1459
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:02,030
you develop it from there

1460
01:02:05,450 --> 01:02:04,050
that's pretty good when they condense

1461
01:02:09,260 --> 01:02:05,460
the whole night sky and all the

1462
01:02:11,550 --> 01:02:09,270
constellations into one image well that

1463
01:02:13,590 --> 01:02:11,560
is

1464
01:02:15,630 --> 01:02:13,600
it's trigger I'm gonna have to say cuz

1465
01:02:18,450 --> 01:02:15,640
it's not just like one it's not just a

1466
01:02:21,550 --> 01:02:18,460
one-off pun it's multiple concepts that

1467
01:02:24,580 --> 01:02:23,290
you're looking at it it's like it was

1468
01:02:25,780 --> 01:02:24,590
that the only it was it only one person

1469
01:02:28,060 --> 01:02:25,790
who actually designed that or was it

1470
01:02:30,670 --> 01:02:28,070
designed over you know multiple

1471
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,680
iterations is is it's one person who

1472
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:32,720
worked for ten years on it or is it you

1473
01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:34,010
know ten people who worked one year each

1474
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:38,390
on it mm-hmm this is how I see it

1475
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:41,210
because I've seen a few few others of

1476
01:02:44,170 --> 01:02:43,850
these and some are in the book some are

1477
01:02:47,170 --> 01:02:44,180
not

1478
01:02:49,150 --> 01:02:47,180
if you here's kind of a question for you

1479
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:49,160
if you think of the geniuses of all-time

1480
01:03:04,290 --> 01:02:51,370
top three who would you come up with

1481
01:03:08,820 --> 01:03:07,110
come on you can I'm gonna say it lists

1482
01:03:16,110 --> 01:03:08,830
for is known because it you know as far

1483
01:03:20,430 --> 01:03:16,120
as like now in jeans give me names the

1484
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:20,440
maintain the davinci again you're gonna

1485
01:03:25,170 --> 01:03:21,970
have to throw like Plato and Aristotle

1486
01:03:30,050 --> 01:03:25,180
and but you know did the three great

1487
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:30,060
Greek philosophers DaVinci that normally

1488
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:31,930
but you know you're right now you're

1489
01:03:35,580 --> 01:03:33,850
taught week to go back for the geniuses

1490
01:03:37,230 --> 01:03:35,590
and tying the greatest you're going back

1491
01:03:39,540 --> 01:03:37,240
to the houses of years the Vinci's

1492
01:03:42,330 --> 01:03:39,550
hundreds of years okay but Plato an air

1493
01:03:44,340 --> 01:03:42,340
assault over a thousand years okay what

1494
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:44,350
about the guy who designed the pyramids

1495
01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:45,970
or woman a guy or sign up here we're

1496
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:48,780
stuck in 2040 four thousand years right

1497
01:03:54,930 --> 01:03:51,310
or older depending on who you talk to

1498
01:03:56,370 --> 01:03:54,940
okay so as a concept you're going back

1499
01:03:58,560 --> 01:03:56,380
thousands of years and finding the

1500
01:03:59,640 --> 01:03:58,570
greatest geniuses of all time and some

1501
01:04:01,770 --> 01:03:59,650
of the works we still kept that

1502
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:01,780
obviously geniuses you and I or

1503
01:04:08,130 --> 01:04:03,850
construction people can't reproduce it

1504
01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:08,140
without a crane and so if if we have

1505
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:10,510
these stronger geniuses we have to think

1506
01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:11,920
about thousands you viewers to cope the

1507
01:04:16,190 --> 01:04:13,500
top ones

1508
01:04:18,589 --> 01:04:16,200
then maybe genius these incredible

1509
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:18,599
genius comes up every thousands of years

1510
01:04:22,609 --> 01:04:20,910
or tens of thousands of years well what

1511
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:22,619
does genius are we talking about

1512
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:24,960
somebody who is successful in executing

1513
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:27,330
something that can last the stand of

1514
01:04:32,660 --> 01:04:30,210
time are we talking about somebody who

1515
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:32,670
finds a really cool trick to

1516
01:04:36,830 --> 01:04:35,160
accomplishing an everyday mundane task

1517
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:36,840
better than anybody else in the planet

1518
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:39,570
exactly the pyramids were probably

1519
01:04:43,370 --> 01:04:41,220
simpler to make them we could probably

1520
01:04:46,910 --> 01:04:43,380
imagine we're just getting too complex

1521
01:04:48,980 --> 01:04:46,920
but this guy artistically this guy was

1522
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:48,990
in this I'm gonna go it's a guy because

1523
01:04:53,380 --> 01:04:50,910
it's more males in the figure and we the

1524
01:04:59,690 --> 01:04:53,390
teachers speaking to here an apprentice

1525
01:05:03,640 --> 01:04:59,700
the this guy was a genius of all time so

1526
01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:03,650
he was beyond the class of a DaVinci and

1527
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,780
because he didn't stone I mean he has

1528
01:05:12,970 --> 01:05:09,359
overlapping images and as you say it's a

1529
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:12,980
it's not it's a it's a it's a negative

1530
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:16,410
that he he has a white canvas that he

1531
01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:18,000
builds the red on top of but he also

1532
01:05:22,849 --> 01:05:21,000
engraved into the into the into the

1533
01:05:25,250 --> 01:05:22,859
white into the white but he also used

1534
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,260
natural used black shadow and it's also

1535
01:05:30,349 --> 01:05:27,599
natural shadowing from the organic and

1536
01:05:32,839 --> 01:05:30,359
mineral matter on the walls I'm seeing

1537
01:05:36,770 --> 01:05:32,849
as a combination of materials to make to

1538
01:05:40,130 --> 01:05:36,780
make his art which is absolutely it's

1539
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:40,140
incredible so we couldn't make mistake

1540
01:05:44,210 --> 01:05:42,090
we're here to fix it some way to fix it

1541
01:05:45,830 --> 01:05:44,220
because all the constellations need to

1542
01:05:47,420 --> 01:05:45,840
be in the right place and they need to

1543
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:47,430
be identified and then what he does is

1544
01:05:55,220 --> 01:05:52,740
he has characters that this for example

1545
01:05:56,780 --> 01:05:55,230
a man but this is a teacher a character

1546
01:05:59,630 --> 01:05:56,790
who speaks of the you're the apprentice

1547
01:06:02,390 --> 01:05:59,640
if you flip him horizontally he it

1548
01:06:04,220 --> 01:06:02,400
becomes the the mask of another

1549
01:06:06,290 --> 01:06:04,230
character he comes up with what I call

1550
01:06:09,230 --> 01:06:06,300
the cosmic man mm-hmm

1551
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:09,240
so he flips sideways and so he does a

1552
01:06:17,860 --> 01:06:13,530
number of times and the images to that

1553
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:17,870
thing we multiple perspectives I'm yeah

1554
01:06:23,180 --> 01:06:20,400
okay and again it still goes to the idea

1555
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:23,190
it was it with just one person yeah it

1556
01:06:27,590 --> 01:06:24,960
couldn't so do you think you can pull

1557
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:27,600
some logos out of that image you can use

1558
01:06:31,130 --> 01:06:29,250
them it's in the public domain

1559
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:31,140
oh I probably could but it's all it's

1560
01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:32,610
also a matter of well if I'm you know

1561
01:06:35,810 --> 01:06:34,440
using a derivative or if I'm making the

1562
01:06:38,810 --> 01:06:35,820
derivative work from from an original

1563
01:06:40,220 --> 01:06:38,820
you know is is there it's like it's

1564
01:06:43,550 --> 01:06:40,230
right this originally is it relevant for

1565
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:43,560
channel yeah yeah so yeah like you know

1566
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:45,240
they're always a possibility if you want

1567
01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:46,890
one I could probably do it based on that

1568
01:06:51,530 --> 01:06:49,140
because it's it's more of a symbolism

1569
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,540
towards your own work and and what

1570
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:53,280
you've been trying to accomplish but

1571
01:06:58,210 --> 01:06:56,850
from like if you're looking at a logo

1572
01:07:00,380 --> 01:06:58,220
like a logo is a very personal thing

1573
01:07:02,090 --> 01:07:00,390
yeah it's like you're saved like a logos

1574
01:07:03,380 --> 01:07:02,100
your signature well what you did you

1575
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:03,390
ever practice your signature when you

1576
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:07,290
were younger not very well well I I know

1577
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:09,180
a lot of people who did they write their

1578
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:11,010
name over and over and over again I like

1579
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:12,690
I even know even for myself I did that

1580
01:07:16,910 --> 01:07:14,240
when I was younger my signature sucks

1581
01:07:22,220 --> 01:07:16,920
like I could be a doctor but not a

1582
01:07:24,110 --> 01:07:22,230
doctor it's well um I know like we're

1583
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:24,120
hitting one hour mark and I don't like

1584
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:26,370
you're on the west coast we're on the

1585
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:28,290
east and it's getting close at 11

1586
01:07:31,970 --> 01:07:30,810
o'clock market wow we actually oh so

1587
01:07:35,420 --> 01:07:31,980
we're we're getting we're getting up

1588
01:07:38,690 --> 01:07:35,430
there in the time and I know that I am

1589
01:07:41,030 --> 01:07:38,700
going to be very thanks to another show

1590
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:41,040
again another time maybe get Graham on

1591
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:42,480
here and have a discussion if you can

1592
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:43,680
talk to him and you can get them on here

1593
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:45,510
he's not gonna talk to me I was like

1594
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:50,010
yeah but he's right now it's a very good

1595
01:07:54,849 --> 01:07:52,710
possible it's a very good possibility oh

1596
01:07:59,300 --> 01:07:54,859
yeah

1597
01:08:01,790 --> 01:07:59,310
well this this is ohm it's a gamma like

1598
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nervous papers now his fan his fanclub

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is definitely gonna let this be known so

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we've crossed the Rubicon tonight so I'm

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if it feels like it I'm just I just got

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to the end of another day in one piece

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and that's pretty well all I look for on

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a day-to-day basis that I survive you

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know he'll let have the Lions gotten to

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me now so let's touch base again and uh

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Joe all right sounds good let's now

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let's see if the next danger which is

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always the outro music playing actually

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happens it there's always that outro

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music IRA can actually hurt in the

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and is it actually playing and it's not

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playing for thee oh man are you kidding

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me not there we go actually thank

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goodness it's like an inside joke it's

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like it is the one thing that I need

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technology to work for going to work

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where's it going to burst into flames

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digitally on the show ladies and gents

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there's been another edition of then of

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lore I am your host Chris George Zuger

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check us next week I got a to show week

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Halloween night we have the great Robert

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Sullivan the fourth who's gonna be

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coming on we're gonna be talking about

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the Illuminati we just keep joking about

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that it's gonna be two thirty second

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degree high level Mason's not talking

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about Freemasonry horror imita movie

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symbolism and whatever else pops into

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our deep state minds no deep state of

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mind whatever the kids are calling me

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the conspiracies these days on Friday

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next week we've got a pretty interesting

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show and I think we're still working on

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it

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Alexia was this supposed to be the show

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for next week my goodness check my

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calendar here

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I'm actually to get back to you guys on

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that so Friday we do have a show it's

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just not showing up on my list but I can

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guarantee there will be one Friday one

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way or another and if guys until then

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you go check out the patreon if you like

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01:10:34,350 --> 01:10:31,750
the show if you want to comment to it

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just to put drop a comment in a comment

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by a comic list below hit like and

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subscribe and I'll make sure I get back

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to you guys as quickly as possible

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thanks ever house on at Facebook YouTube

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on periscope which TV as well as

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Spreaker for our audio chat this will

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all be available alive after this if you

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have not or just joined us hit back all

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the way to the beginning and enjoy the

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rest of our burning always a pleasure